1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 cat 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:27,000 MUSIC 3 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,000 The human race has always been obsessed by things it can't understand. 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 The more lucid the answer, the more we try to find it. 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,000 The Society for Psychical Research has compiled hundreds of reports 6 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,000 since it was founded in 1882. 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,000 These are just some of them, 8 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,000 proving the Society's members believe the existence of paranormal phenomena. 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,000 But after more than a century, they still haven't been able to find out how or why. 10 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,000 Our stories tonight are as strange as any of the Society has ever encountered. 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000 We'll meet a woman who works alongside doctors to practice astonishing healing powers 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000 and we'll hear from the patients she has apparently cured. 13 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:10,000 First, this particular report was compiled by a group investigating ghost stories 14 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000 at the fortress which has guarded England's shores longer than any other, 15 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,000 from the Iron Age to the Second World War. 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,000 High above the famous White Cliffs on the south coast, 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,000 Dover Castle is the kind of place you might expect to attract ghost stories. 18 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,000 Staff there take them with a pinch of salt, 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,000 but more recent events have made them take their unearthly guests much more seriously. 20 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Nicknamed Hellfire Corner, damp and eerie, 21 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:50,000 there are three and a half miles of these tunnels carved through the cliffs during World War II. 22 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,000 Gloomy or not, today they are the favourite tourist attraction in this busy ferry port. 23 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Leslie Simpson has guided thousands of people on their plunge into history, 24 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,000 but there's one tour he'll never forget. 25 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 I had a group of about 20 people. 26 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,000 Ladies and gentlemen, if you'll just follow me through now please. 27 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,000 We came into the repeater station. I brought the group up to the barrier. 28 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,000 I was staying on a step where I can overlook the group. 29 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 You're now in the Defence Telecommunications Network Station, DTN. 30 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,000 I recall this the repeater station. 31 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:43,000 I had to notice the lady, she was very intent and she suddenly looked very alarmed 32 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,000 and she fell down and slipped down onto her knee. 33 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 I'm okay, I'm fine, I'm fine. 34 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,000 But the lady wasn't really fine, as Leslie found out at the end of the tour. 35 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the tour. Goodbye. 36 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,000 Goodbye, thanks for coming. 37 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Are you okay now? You didn't hurt yourself in there, did you? 38 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:11,000 No, I'm fine, but this is going to sound very strange, 39 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,000 but I think I ought to tell you what happened down there. 40 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 She explained that she'd been watching a man, 41 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 she had a uniform, one a naval uniform, down at the far end of the repeater station. 42 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:27,000 And she thought he belonged here, part of the tour, tinkering with the equipment. 43 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,000 She then got alarmed because he started to walk towards the group. 44 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,000 He was walking quite fast, he came down the second small flight of steps 45 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,000 and he just walked straight through the barrier. 46 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,000 And right through her. 47 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 This sighting is only one of many in a complex which spans three eras. 48 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:04,000 The Hellfire Corner tunnels, the old gun rooms built to fight off Napoleon's threatened invasion 49 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 and the ancient castle where William the Conqueror once stayed. 50 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 All have reports of inexplicable goings on. 51 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Bomb proof and impregnable, the evacuation of Dunkirk was planned here. 52 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Hundreds of people lived and worked inside the cliff face. 53 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:26,000 The tunnels were sealed for half a century before being opened up as a museum. 54 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Even now, visitors are allowed round only with supervision. 55 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Some would say for good reason. 56 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,000 I had a tour group of about 25 to 30 people 57 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,000 and the tour had been going well until we reached the repeater station. 58 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,000 I noticed a father and daughter standing slightly away from the rest of the group. 59 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,000 The girl appeared to be in communication with somebody who appeared invisible to me 60 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 and her father was looking on, interestingly. 61 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,000 And then all of a sudden the father disappeared out of the repeater station. 62 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000 Can you stay with the rest of the group please? 63 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Yes, of course. Sorry. 64 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Karen tried to forget the incident and carried on with her tour. 65 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Just before we move into the next room, ladies and gentlemen, 66 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 a piece of light-hearted information for you. 67 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,000 This room is supposed to be the most haunted room in Hellfire Corner. 68 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,000 Yes, I know, and I've just seen the ghost. 69 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,000 At that point I thought we got a bit of a one here and dismissed what he said. 70 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to follow me. 71 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,000 He was very casual about the whole thing, 72 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:58,000 but the girl was very withdrawn and shaken. She looked in shock in fact. 73 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Karen realised something very unusual had happened, so she took down the details. 74 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,000 He said his name was Bill Billings, 75 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,000 and he said he was killed when he was assembling an amplifier rack or something. 76 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 I thought that they had definitely seen someone down here. 77 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Despite such testimonies, some of the castle staff are quite sure 78 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 that the reason for it all is a perfectly natural one. 79 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 After eight years of taking groups around the castle, 80 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Philip Wyburn Brown thinks he knows what's behind the apparently abnormal activities. 81 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,000 The building is 800 years old. It's built high on the cliff. 82 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,000 It is subject to a lot of wind and air currents up here. 83 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:47,000 So I think a lot of it is very much the natural phenomena of the building itself. 84 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:58,000 So could it all just be a combination of natural atmospherics and overactive imaginations? 85 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,000 Local investigators have done a scientific stakeout of the castle 86 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,000 and its many tunnels and passages on three all-night vigils. 87 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,000 We brought a team of 16 people into Dover Castle. 88 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Divided the team into pairs, working to a very strict shift rotor. 89 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:26,000 We brought in very sophisticated equipment such as a high-tech computerized sensing machine 90 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,000 which senses changes in temperature, movement. 91 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Everybody is equipped with tape recorders, thermometers, video cameras. 92 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,000 Each pair were given a certain location to work on. 93 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 Group H, Sue Nichols and Keith Acres were stationed in a passageway with their tape recorder. 94 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:58,000 We'd been sat there about five hours when suddenly there was an on-wis bang. 95 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,000 Unable to believe there is, they played back the tape. 96 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,000 I knew there was no doors anywhere around. 97 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,000 There was nobody else near us. 98 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,000 And then the investigators say they didn't just hear what they claimed to be poltergeist activity. 99 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 They saw it. 100 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 At approximately two o'clock in the morning, my partner and myself had allowed bang in this room 101 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 and we investigated this door here. 102 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 I found it was to be locked and moved away approximately 10 feet. 103 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,000 There was this huge bang behind us which made us both jump out of our skins. 104 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,000 We turned around, quite petrified, and see the door still vibrating manly. 105 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 The next time it happened, the investigators were determined to get proof. 106 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Chris Cherry, a master at the University of Kent, trained a video camera on the door. 107 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:04,000 The noise was quite tremendous and all those tapestries above our heads started swaying. 108 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,000 And this was rather extraordinary. 109 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,000 We thought we got a paranormal phenomenon and I very stupidly yelled out, 110 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,000 we've got it and of course that screwed the whole thing up and it ceased. 111 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Each team who were working in the keep thoroughly checked the area around 112 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:33,000 and we could find no apparent natural reason for the door to run at all. 113 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,000 So what could be the cause of the events at Dover Castle? 114 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,000 Michael Brumley is a psychic who claims he can tune into departed spirits. 115 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:48,000 He's never been here before so what will he find in Hellfire Corner? 116 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,000 This area is very powerful, very strong. 117 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,000 I would expect that at different times people walk through here. 118 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,000 In the repeater station, Michael came up with a name. 119 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,000 I just think of name Helen for what reason. 120 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 But the castle official watching Michael Brumley wasn't impressed. 121 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 He started talking about Helen and there just wouldn't have been women in that area 122 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,000 so I became very skeptical and just didn't believe what he was saying. 123 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 It was just, just didn't gel, just wasn't right. 124 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 However, a few days after we filmed Michael Brumley, 125 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,000 another visitor, an Australian tourist who'd only just arrived in Britain, 126 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 astonished everyone. 127 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 I told the tour guide what I'd seen while I was in this room, 128 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,000 how a ghostly figure had come running up towards me. 129 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,000 He was blonde, he was wearing navy blue. 130 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,000 He said his name was Samuel and he was asking me questions about a woman called Helen. 131 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,000 He was very agitated and wanting to find out about where Helen was. 132 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,000 When she came to me and told me about Helen, 133 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,000 you really could have just knocked me down with a feather. 134 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,000 It was amazing really. 135 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,000 It's sort of changed my attitude really to the place. 136 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Well, I imagine it would. 137 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000 And it's not the first time that Michael Brumley's psychic information has made an impact. 138 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,000 He's previously been employed as official psychic to the Olympic Games, 139 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,000 helping police to sniff out security loopholes. 140 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Strange but true. 141 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Think of the world's greatest discoveries and inventions. 142 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:38,000 Whatever you come up with, you have to admit that none is nearly as fantastic as the human body. 143 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Our eyes can take in more than the largest telescope. 144 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,000 Our brains are more complex than the most powerful computer. 145 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:52,000 And all the information in this bookcase would just fit into the genetic blueprint of a single human cell. 146 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 And all that from something that's about 70% water. 147 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Even now, scientists don't really understand what it is that gives us the spark we call life. 148 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And there are still many conditions where conventional medicine has unfortunately had to admit defeat. 149 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,000 But there are those who claim they can perform the most amazing cures without drugs or surgery. 150 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,000 And some doctors are coming to believe it too. 151 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,000 All the doctors refer patients to Lorraine. 152 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,000 We don't think that what she does is really any different to what we do. 153 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,000 Hello. 154 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Even if you can't understand something, if for some people it does seem to be effective, then why not use it? 155 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,000 I thought it would be akin to a religious experience with people standing around a font or something like that, 156 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 dunking people into religious water and healing them that way. 157 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,000 I can have a look in that here. 158 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:53,000 A doctor's surgery in Otley, a Yorkshire town where people aren't given to exaggerated claims, especially the doctors. 159 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:00,000 But when their medical powers can do no more, they've come to accept the more unorthodox methods of Lorraine Ham. 160 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,000 So much so that Lorraine now works at the surgery. 161 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000 I'll often start at the head. 162 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 And what's happening then is I'm just sensing a little bit deeper as to what the problem is. 163 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Lorraine says that without even touching, she feels energies in the body and the healing begins. 164 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,000 There are energy centres throughout the body. 165 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:27,000 I can usually sense where there's a depletion or if it's overcharged. 166 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And so really it's a matter of balancing and unblocking energies that may be causing the problem in the first place. 167 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Even a local vicar describes Lorraine's powers with the word he doesn't use lightly. 168 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000 If you'd asked me to describe a miracle, I couldn't perhaps describe it in any other way. 169 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:50,000 The Reverend Allen Kitchen had a severe neck injury. One morning he woke up in agony. 170 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,000 I need a doctor, dear. I can't move. 171 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,000 The pain came all down my arm and into my fingers and it really was agonied. 172 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,000 The doctor came in and consigned me to this hospital for 10 days' traction. 173 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Although on the face of it it's only once more part of the body which is affected, the pain is so severe that individuals can sometimes hardly move. 174 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 They sent me home. 175 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,000 All they'd given me was bottles of painkillers really and just told me to rest in bed. 176 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:28,000 It seemed to be in a lot of pain. You could see by his face it was distorted. 177 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,000 The vicar's wife called in Lorraine. 178 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Hello, how are you today? 179 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:38,000 My neck and my arm hurt. In fact, all the time. 180 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 I've never known nothing about it. 181 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000 I sat at the bottom of the bed and I watched her. 182 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Right then. Let's see. 183 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,000 She never actually touched me as such. She never once put a hand on me in any way at all. 184 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 But to begin with, it only seemed to hurt more. 185 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:05,000 After a while the pain began to build up and it built up so much that a doctor said to her, give it a rest for a minute. It's hurting too much. 186 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 Please stop. 187 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Just try a moment longer. 188 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Then all three, the vicar, his wife and Lorraine, noticed a remarkable change. 189 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Suddenly something happened in the wrong. There was a brand new atmosphere in the wrong. A tremendous sense of peace. 190 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Thank you. 191 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,000 And then he relaxed and his pain had gone. It was very emotional, very special. 192 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 It was very difficult to put into words a feeling like that. 193 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:44,000 It was just lovely to see him walking around again and not in any pain anymore. It was really tremendous. 194 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,000 We have no scientific explanation why that should happen. 195 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:59,000 After such a long period on traction and then two weeks bed rest to suddenly get off and walk, it sounds almost like the stuff miracles are made of. 196 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 So what are the healing powers which Lorraine Hamm apparently possesses? 197 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:14,000 Her family is originally from New Zealand, where her great-great-grandfather was a Maori chief and master of medicines and bush plants. 198 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:21,000 There is always a possibility that there is a link between a great-great-grandfather's healing abilities and mine. 199 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:32,000 She's been far more successful than I had anticipated. Approximately 80% of all people who go and see her feel that they've benefited. 200 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,000 And many people have been greatly improved by her treatment. 201 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,000 But how is Lorraine Hamm so successful? Does she really bring about physical changes? 202 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:50,000 I think that faith healing does work, but there's no special physical process taking place. This is a psychological process. 203 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:56,000 They make the patient believe they're going to get better in the way that a convincing doctor might do. 204 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,000 And it is this mind-over-matter influenced by the faith healer that makes the patient get better. 205 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:09,000 But Lorraine insists those she treats don't have to believe in her powers. Speedway rider Gary Havlock certainly didn't. 206 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:17,000 It was really frightening crash actually because I was going very fast. 207 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,000 Gary had a serious accident during a race in Poland. 208 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,000 It's my hand. My hand. 209 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:31,000 My hand was hurting the most. I tried to move it and I could feel something clicking away inside there. I knew I'd done something straight away really. 210 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,000 When Gary got to hospital, X-ray showed his hand was broken and there was even worse to come. 211 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 You'll have complete fracture. 212 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 The doctor told him it would be six weeks before he could ride a bike again. 213 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000 There's no way I can be out of action for that long. 214 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000 I've got a big race inside today. 215 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Sorry. Excuse me. 216 00:17:53,000 --> 00:18:01,000 The big race was the Commonwealth Speedway final. Only if he took part would Gary qualify for the World Championships. The usual experts couldn't help. 217 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:11,000 The first obvious thing was this fracture which you can see here which would have caused an awful lot of pain particularly on a speedway bike with a vibration. 218 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:18,000 I couldn't grip the handlebars of the bike properly and I knew that if I couldn't grip them enough then I certainly wouldn't be winning any races. 219 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Would you like to come and take a seat? 220 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 I was pricks but I would have given anything a try really. 221 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,000 I've never done anything like this before. 222 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000 That's alright. 223 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Although Gary was skeptical of Lorraine, his girlfriend had been treated by her before. He decided he had nothing to lose. 224 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:38,000 She put one hand underneath my hand and one hand over it. It was a real hot sensation as if somebody had had a low touch on my hand. 225 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:46,000 As I held Gary's hand, I had the sensation that the bones were actually knitting together. 226 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Afterwards when she finished, when she finally touched me her fingers were icy cold. 227 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Four days later Gary raced in the Commonwealth Final. 228 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,000 He won and went on to win the World Championships too. 229 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,000 I must say that I was very surprised to find that he did so well in the final. 230 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,000 It was that dream come true of me. It's all I ever wanted to do. I'll be a world champion. 231 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Perhaps the best of Lorraine's cases and the one which leaves the people involved with no doubt of her powers is out of Margaret and Peter Lupton. 232 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:33,000 When we first got married we really did want to have children. After a couple of years of trying nothing happened so we went to our doctor who referred it to a consultant. 233 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000 But the consultant could find nothing wrong. 234 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,000 I have to say there is no reason why you can't have children. 235 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,000 So what do we do? 236 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Well let's keep an eye on things to begin with. We'll start off with you checking your temperature on these charts every day. 237 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,000 For five years I went through every test imaginable, keeping regular appointments at the hospital. 238 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,000 And the doctors really just seemed to be doing the same tests over and over again. There didn't seem to be any progression in the treatment. 239 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Nothing seemed to work. The couple became more and more disheartened. 240 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,000 I'm alright. I'll be sleeping a minute. I just want to sit up for a while. 241 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:32,000 In the end I just had quite enough. We decided to just get off the merry-go-round and leave it. We'd had enough of all the tests. 242 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:40,000 The Luptons built themselves a life without children. They enjoyed holidays around the world and Margaret worked hard at her career. 243 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Then a couple of years later she went to Lorraine for relaxation and the subject of children came up. 244 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Is there anything to do with children? 245 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:56,000 I didn't tell Peter about it initially. I was clinging to a hope that I didn't want to awaken in Peter again after we decided to give up. 246 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:07,000 I would do the healing generally around her body, over her body, and then I would concentrate on the abdominal area. 247 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:15,000 The sessions finished after six months just before Margaret and Peter set off for a holiday. But something felt different. 248 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:22,000 Although she had none of the normal signs of pregnancy, Margaret took a test. The results came in a phone call. 249 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Could you say that again? 250 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 I asked him to repeat it about three times when I told him it was positive. 251 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 What's this? Are you sure? 252 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 I was just so over the moon. It was incredible. 253 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:38,000 First of all, I was absolutely stunned about it then. I was really elated. I couldn't wait. 254 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,000 The first postcard Margaret sent from her holiday was to Lorraine Ham. 255 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Thanks, Lorraine. 256 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Margaret had a little boy, Joshua, and her second son, Rhys, is now one year old. 257 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,000 I think if I hadn't been for Lorraine, we probably would be a childless couple now. 258 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,000 But having better holidays now with the kids than we had before without them. 259 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000 There's one for the family album they thought they'd never have. 260 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Even doctors who don't believe in any special powers are baffled by the success of healers. 261 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,000 They argue that people are getting better because they think they're going to get better. 262 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,000 But if the human mind can cure physical conditions, all bites.